RPGM Henteria Chronicles Ch. 3: The Peacekeepers [Update 19] [N_taii]

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Ion.TemUS

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You're not wrong, Leto going through a heel turn would kind of defeat the purpose of a good ending, however I wouldn't define the revenge ending as a good ending. I know N_Taii is intending to approach the finale differently than he did previously by not having a "true" ending, but if we assume he's still going to have a revenge ending I fully expect it to be completely distinct from the good ending. My hope is for there to be a good ending, in which Leto saves the day, order is restored, his relationships with the girls are restored as well as they can be, and for the duke and company to be punished. An NTR ending in which Leto is betrayed by everyone he holds dear, defeated by his enemies, and the country falls to the oppressive might of Queen Rose and her villainous cohorts. Finally, a revenge ending in which Leto destroys his enemies and wins the day, but the humiliation, betrayal, and manipulation he suffered at the hands of Rose twists his world view.

Leto's lack of a truly defined character makes his endgame status quite malleable and I believe that he should be adapted to the ending themes. If it's the good ending then he's a hero, if it's the bad ending then he's a loser, if it's the revenge ending he's a villain. One of the few advantages of making him a mute character is that he's never going to have strong personality which means it's easy to change him to fit specific situations.
yea I mostly agree.
Though I would say that his character is surprisingly defined actually. Despite not having any dialogue, the way he emote-reacts to certain things, the way characters that are in dialogue with him repeat what he's (roughly) been saying, and the way he acts or doesn't act given information given and things he sees kind of gives the audience a decently defined impression of his character imo.
 
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Oriandu

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yea I mostly agree.
Though I would say that his character is surprisingly defined actually. Despite not having any dialogue, the way he emote-reacts to certain things, the way characters that are in dialogue with him repeat what he's (roughly) been saying, and the way he acts or doesn't act given information given and things he sees kind of gives the audience a decently defined impression of his character imo.
He's certainly better defined than Noah and Casio given that Leto is capable of minimal speech and he reacts to a more varied situations than they had the option to, but he's still a fairly blank slate. Leto is a sketch of a character and that means he can be changed to fit the situation without feeling too out of character, especially considering some of the red choices.
 

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I would like for there to be a good ending, because that means true NTR was avoidable in some way.

I'm well aware that a good ending would still mean most of the story was NTR, but having any "good ending" that returns the girls to the player is ideal. Not because I want to avoid NTR, but it means that the player is capable of making the choice to do it. I think it makes the choice of going full NTR all the more savorable.

Games that always end in NTR have less of an impact on me. That's why I enjoyed playing Seeds of Chaos and Abaddon: Princess of Decay. It felt really good to steer my character into the worst possible situation or corrupt heroines into hating my player or steering them into other people. Looking back at what the player could've gotten if they made the "right choices" just adds to the feeling. I think the term here is sadomasochism? Because I like both perspectives of self-inserting and being detached from my player.
 
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LordFrz

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I would like for there to be a good ending, because that means true NTR was avoidable in some way.

I'm well aware that a good ending would still mean most of the story was NTR, but having any "good ending" that returns the girls to the player is ideal. Not because I want to avoid NTR, but it means that the player is capable of making the choice to do it. I think it makes the choice of going full NTR all the more savorable.

Games that always end in NTR have less of an impact on me. That's why I enjoyed playing Seeds of Chaos and Abaddon: Princess of Decay. It felt really good to steer my character into the worst possible situation or corrupt heroines into hating my player or steering them into other people. Looking back at what the player could've gotten if they made the "right choices" just adds to the feeling. I think the term here is sadomasochism? Because I like both perspectives of self-inserting and being detached from my player.
My problem with NTR that has an avoidable NTR ending is that its never done in a believable way. And the only way to get NTR ends up being to play poorly or make stupid choices.
 

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My view of avoidable NTR endings in NTR games is that the NTR has already happened, so what's the point of a happy ending? My personal view is that, regardless of how the story tends, Leto should dump Rose and she should be sad and alone. Even before factoring in it being impossible for me to believe that they'd be sexually compatible there's still the simple fact that Rose is betraying Leto on a daily basis and enjoying it. I don't like good endings in NTR because they quite often don't have consequences for anyone but the bad guys. If I were Leto and I learned that Rose had been cheating on me for months with a guy over twice her age who was obviously an unscrupulous bastard I would dump her without a second thought even after we saved the day and defeated him. To do anything otherwise feels like an impossible suspension of disbelief to me.
 
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To do anything otherwise feels like an impossible suspension of disbelief to me.
I get that, but some people are just really nice. Sometimes someone just forgives others really easy. You don't have to find it relatable, most people aren't capable of it. But I'm sure you can at least understand how Leto could see how Rose had obviously been pressured into everything, and decided that finding pleasure in sex was the best way to cope with everything.

And if you can't, Revenge will always be an option. But what you're asking for is essentially upending the whole format of the series to add a 4th option -NTR, Happy Together, Happy Alone, Revenge- late into development and with the three ending already being built up to through the dialogue options for a long while now
 

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The more that I think about it, the more curious I am about the big reveal of Update 16 and how it could factor into the Revenge ending.
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Now, a big part of me feels like it's not particularly likely because it seems a half dozen shades darker in tone than anything N_taii has done up to this point. But my brain just connected those two plot points and I thought it sounded like an interesting possibility compared to the more expected "Leto becomes Ulrod 2.0 and takes them all into his personal harem" path of revenge.



also, for a non-NTR ending to an NTR game... I don't mind that being included at all, because I do think it adds to the ultimate tragedy if there was a slim chance of hope available to the player (in the same way that I find a lot of vanilla H-games dreadfully boring if it's just pure power fantasy with no consequences or dramatic tension of any kind; every victory feels hollow when the game itself is pathologically terrified of having the player lose in a meaningful way).

But it does definitely rub me the wrong way then there is a canon/more official ending that swerves completely out of the game's genre, like with Chapter 2's True ending. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like if there is going to be a True ending to a game like this, it shouldn't completely jettison the NTR at the eleventh hour.
 

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I don't know why, but I have the feeling that this silhouette of that being pretending to be Rose is some ancient entity related to the Shanni tribe, who wants revenge on the people of Noss Roa and the royal family for what the first king of Lumina did to them in the past and it is she who is orchestrating everything from the shadows.
 

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I don't know why, but I have the feeling that this silhouette of that being pretending to be Rose is some ancient entity related to the Shanni tribe, who wants revenge on the people of Noss Roa and the royal family for what the first king of Lumina did to them in the past and it is she who is orchestrating everything from the shadows.
It's certainly possible. N_Taii does have a bad habit of utilizing badly implemented deities to bring about his endings. HC1 had god that was sealed beneath the castle and was completely irrelevant past the opening of the game and claimed that it lured the demons there on purpose to cause Casio to be amenable to his "kill all the gods" plan, but that isn't reflected in the game. Then there's what appears to be the fallen valkyrie who is Celis' true mother, who we get the occasional sighting of as she manipulates Zeno to do her bidding and then betrays him for Noah, but again the reveal of her backstory and her abilities are so backloaded that it once again comes across as not feeling adequately set up. HC3 has not shown a deity, demon, valkyrie, or enemy of any kind outside of the duke... and there's always a chance we get one added very close to the end as we did in HC1 and 2.
 

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Hm, based on the PoL and the comments on it, I'd say the next patreon update arriving before Christmas is not happening, might be pretty late in the month if it releases this month at all.
 
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Miss Y

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Yikes. I can only hope that's the result of a decision to not split the beach quest into two separate updates, because the thought of the story lingering there until like early-to-mid February at the earliest is... daunting. :eek:
 

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Hm, based on the PoL and the comments on it, I'd say the next patreon update arriving before Christmas is not happening, might be pretty late in the month if it releases this month at all.
In theory, the update was supposed to be planned to be released at the beginning of the month (most likely between the 1st and the 15th).

But as you say, based on the PoL, the comments and that he has yet to do the survey on the extra scene (if he does) I'm betting the update will arrive by Dec. 20 at the latest
 

Oriandu

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Yikes. I can only hope that's the result of a decision to not split the beach quest into two separate updates, because the thought of the story lingering there until like early-to-mid February at the earliest is... daunting. :eek:
Yeah, which is why I don't think a double update is a good idea. Honestly, I was against the beach update altogether on the off chance that he focuses on Lily and Haylen after it. A fairly carefree section of the game where the girls just fuck a bunch while Leto awkwardly and unknowingly hangs around is great and all, but it delays progression of the main plot. I'm wary of it stretching across two updates because it means that switching to Lily and Haylen next could mean we're looking at a pretty significant delay in the main story progressing. I hate to say it but I kind of hope N_Taii views Lily and Haylen's side stories as largely finished.
 

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I'm betting the update will arrive by Dec. 20 at the latest
Absolutely no way that is happening, the 20th is barely more than 2 weeks from now and N_Taii is still on the second scene of Update17, he needs write and make the remaining story segments, make 2 entire new scenes, add more freeroam-like scenes for Haylen and Lily and then on top of all that he needs to make the extra scene as well. The Update's gonna be released either in-between Christmas and New Year's, or sometime in early January, the sooner you accept it the better.
 

Oriandu

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Yeah, I've actually been kind of trying to talk him into delaying the update until mid to late January and just doing a larger singular update instead of two separate ones. It hasn't worked at all, though, so I'm wasting my keystrokes. :p
 
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Yeah, which is why I don't think a double update is a good idea. Honestly, I was against the beach update altogether on the off chance that he focuses on Lily and Haylen after it. A fairly carefree section of the game where the girls just fuck a bunch while Leto awkwardly and unknowingly hangs around is great and all, but it delays progression of the main plot. I'm wary of it stretching across two updates because it means that switching to Lily and Haylen next could mean we're looking at a pretty significant delay in the main story progressing. I hate to say it but I kind of hope N_Taii views Lily and Haylen's side stories as largely finished.
Just wanna say that the main plot is still going to progress. I know I said it was going to be an "empty/filler update" story-wise, but there'll still be a few elements that are going to be pretty important to the main story.
 
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LordFrz

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My personal favorite NTR antagonist is the biggest unrepentent POS as possible. So I really enjoyed the Jazon x Native girl stuff in this update. But the only real antagonist so far that has zero morals and is a complete pos scum back is the tavern owner, so I can only hope he somehow steals all the girls by the end, lol. Solid update though.
 
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Matoga

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I hate to say it but I kind of hope N_Taii views Lily and Haylen's side stories as largely finished.
FUCK. NO.

Anything less than 2 more Updates for each of the sidegirls (maybe even 3 for Lily) would just ruin their entire stories in my eyes. I keep going back and forth when it comes to the conclusion of HC3 because on one hand i really wanna see both HC4, and that smaller game that N_Taii told us about that he wanted to make after this game is done, but on the other hand i really don't want HC3 to end prematurely.

I get that a slow and gradual build-up for corruption is necessary and is borderline the most important thing in these type of games, but there also needs to be an adequate payoff to that build-up. The first and biggest payoff in the corruption is when the girls lose their virginities or, like in Haylen's case, simply have sex for the first time, but that's not just a payoff, it's a turning point as well, the moment they start having sex is when the first build-up with the groping, secret handjobs and teasing ends, and the second one that is much more fast paced than the previous one begins, and even though seeing the girls slowly fall for the bad guys is enjoyable in itself, you cannot tell me that a large, and i mean LARGE, number of people aren't here because they want to see the girls when they're completely gone and they're full blown sex addicts (not talking about the public sluts stuff, just 1on1 with their partners and choosing sex over Leto whenever they can).

It was present in both HC1 and HC2, at least for a short amount of time before the endings started rolling in, but that's because the corruption was infinitely much faster than what it is in HC3 and because there was less focus on the side characters, Sloana or whatever her name was, the blonde woman who was fucking her future father-in-law, started her corruption with a blowjob and was already having sex with the guy and was calling him 'daddy' by the time we got to her 3rd quest, meanwhile we have Lily over here, who's got like 5 or 6 quests already and she still hates Nezar, AND she's got 1 sex scene altogether (Inside the mirror world obviously doesn't count). If you're gonna stretch out the build-up this much then you NEED to tailor later part of the corruption accordingly, 5 quests of touching and sucking and spanking just to get 2 quests worth of sex scenes sounds fucking criminal, even for Haylen who's much further and has a decent amount of sex scenes already, i just cannot see how her remaining story and corruption could be wrapped up in ONE quest without it feeling lackluster.

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This is a pretty fucked up...something, can't even find the words to describe it, but i feel like this is what i want, or rather expect, from Lily and Haylen's storylines, and i guess you could argue that after the "Second to last SideQuest" the girls are ready for the endings, but to that my answer is...pound sand and eat dirt, i want an Update where Haylen is obsessed with Jazon and all she can think about how she can get rid of Leto so that she can have sex (plus freeroams of similar nature), that is the payoff that i've been looking forward to since August 2022.
 
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